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STEVE ESPINOLAinterview
The
Steve
Espinola
Interview
Steve: hey hey
Brad: HO Ho
Brad: How are things?
Steve signed on at 11:03:10 PM.
Steve: Now I'm all preoccupied with this fallout from the "A U Base" zine.
Brad: Sorry to point ya to the Oj board
Steve: I'm totally not-caught-up on what happened.  I'll try to put it out of my head 'til I find out what happened.  That's OK!
Brad: OK good.   Lets start at the beggining
Brad: Major Matt wanted me to ask you about how you deal with the opposite sex
Steve: Which one?
Brad: Female
Steve: Oh Lordy!  I wonder why _he_ wants to know.  That's a bit clse to home.
Brad: I am a slow typer-   my wife is at a party
Brad: how so
Steve: How candid should I be?  We dated the same person in very rapid succession.
Brad: Hey the faniste likes to cut deepo
Brad: deep
Brad: you can talk in general terms
Steve: And my end of the relationship ending was perhaps one of my more questionable moments in the moral universe.
Brad: i am qustioning what that means?
Steve: I started dating someone shortly before going to Europe for my Steve Wynn tour.
Brad: uh huh
Steve: I did not behave, and the day I returned she started dating Major Matt.
Brad: That same day--
Steve: And I think he was a much better boyfriend.  That's my suspicion.
Brad: ahhh-   no ill will right?
Steve: No.  I think he's a great great guy.
Steve: But it was probably a bit awkward for awhile.
Steve: And my ex-girlfriend is a great person, too.
Brad: all mine were too.....
Brad: When did you start playin the piano?
Steve: I was about 5 or 6.
Brad: like it right away?
Steve: I started taking lessons when I was 6 or maybe 7 at the latest.  I should say I started going to lessons.  Never was much big on practicing.
Brad: even today?
Steve: I think I must have had an ambivilent relationship with it since the beginning.  Still do.
Steve: Yeah, I don't practice much.
Brad: take it, leave it?
Steve: It's like this:  Piano sort of fucks you up, I think.
Brad: how so?
Steve: If you notice, piano players are crazy in a different way than guitarists.
Brad: different drugs?
Brad: jk
Steve: There's two basic reasons, I think:
Steve: One is social.
Brad: the lon epiano guy?
Steve: Guitar players tend to be people who had a healthy sense of rebellion against their parents at the right age.
Steve: Parents don't want their kids...
Steve: to learn guitar.
Steve: they want them to learn piano.
Brad: I think they would perfer their kids not to learn drums
Steve: So the people who stick with piano tend to be people who did not actively rebel.
Steve: Well, drums, that's a whole other story....I can't even start on that.
Brad: sometimes I think inactive rebelian is more rebelious
Steve: Back to piano:  As a result, piano players tend to have a more ambivilent relationship with audiences.
Steve: They want to please them, and they want to make them uncomfortable in a rather passive-agressive way.
Steve: Peter Dizozza is like this.  I'm like this.  I think Kenny Davidsen is like this.
Steve: This guy Andrew McCann is really like this.  Though I just heard that he was actually a virtuosic guitarist first...
Steve: SO that messes up my theory, because he was an important part of the theory.
Steve: He end his sets with this love song about being literally shat on.  And then I'd have to follow that.
Steve: I hated that.
Brad: i can see why
Steve: correct that line:  He'd end his sets.... that "d" is important.
Steve: The other problem with piano is that it's all Yang.  It's an unbalanced instrument, at least potentially.
Steve: With guitar or most stringed instruments that you strike, you can do an upstroke or a downstroke.
Steve: That allows an easy balance of yin and yang.
Steve: It's like breathing in and out.
Steve: With a piano, the sound only comes out when you push the note down.
Brad: I feel like I just got a piano lesson
Steve: So you have to create an artificial balance in the way you play.  One way is to have as much silence as sound.  That is, to really, consciously "unplay" the note when you lift it--to play that silence.
Steve: My friend and mentor Biff Rose really does that--we talked about it after a show he did at Sidewalk.
Steve: Another way, that I do a lot, is to think and feel the keys in terms of right hand and left hand, or high and low keys.
Brad: we are both makin Cds now
Steve: So I interlock notes as much as possible, alternating my hands to approximate breathing.
Steve: one hand is breathing out, one is breathing in.
Steve: It may sound cerebral, but it's a more intuitive thing.
Steve: Yes, I am making a CD.  You too?
Brad: yes!
Steve: I am dubbing some 15 to 18 hours of unreleased Dan Emery songs.
Brad: My friend the antman and his brother juday columbo want to put stuff off the fansit eon their radio show
Steve: He is having his "goodbye to the Dan Emery Mystery Band" show next Friday, and I'm doing my part to send the band off in style.
Brad: you are makin me jealous
Brad: when did you guys meet?
Steve: It's amazing how consistently great these songs are....
Brad: we'll get to that
Steve: There's this bricking effect in these IM's....I tend to be answering the thing you wrote two lines up.
Brad: It is always like this... very anti don't you think?
Steve: just a sec...gotta flip the tape...
Brad: Antman and juday columbo want to try and get the bar where juday works to do a antifolk thing maybe if there is interest
Brad: I think the antman likes being on the site
Steve: Who is Antman?
Brad: The what's new guy from the homepage
Brad: I drew a mullet on his bald head
Steve: cool.
Brad: Hopefully
Steve: I'm dubbing Dan's songs from 1995 and 1996 right now.  A very good era in his songwriting.
Brad: So when did you meet dan?
Steve: It's bringing back a lotta memories.
Brad: How did you meet him>
Steve: This sounds like an early attempt at overdubbing by using two boomboxes.  "I Just Wanna Live A Little Bit Before I Die".
Steve: I met him most likely in 1994 or 1995 at a party given by his girlfriend.
Steve: I had a big crush on his girlfriend.
Steve: And had for a couple years.
Brad: back to the oposit esex thingee huh
Steve: She introduced us...said "I think you'd like this guy."
Brad: And you did right
Steve: Once I got over my resentment of him, we hit it off.
Steve: Right now I'm listening to a recording that he played me one of the first times we hung out...
Brad: So he had the mystery band before you were in it?
Steve: It's a song about how she's saying lovey things to the cat and he's jealous.
Steve: No.
Steve: He had another band before I knew him.
Steve: I have never heard that band or even any records of them.
Steve: They were called "New York Groove".
Steve: After the Kiss song.
Steve: Mike Rechner of Prewar Yardsale heard them.
Steve: He recently told me they were pretty good.  Memorable.
Brad: Ahh-  
Steve: Dan brought me to an antihoot in October 1995.
Brad: he introduced you to it?>
Brad: what did you think?
Steve: I think it was around Oct 11th, because he wrote "Student Loan" on that day, at that hoot, and here it is on the tape, Oct. 11 1995.
Steve: My mind was blown.
Steve: I couldn't believe how many people were good.
Steve: Really really good.
Steve: I could probably tell you the first songs I heard each person sing at that 'hoot.
Brad: I am thinkin I will like it on June 10th
Brad: tell me
Brad: make me jealous
Steve: Lach, I'm not sure, but probably "Ungrateful".
Steve: Little Oscar did "Elvis on Dilodid".
Steve: Zane Campbell did "Crystal Meth Blues".
Brad: What was yours?
Steve: I wrote a song called "Anaconda #9".
Brad: ZANE-  Fd up a J
Steve: And I did "You've Lost Everything", which I'd just finished.
Steve: yes, and a million others.
Steve: He'll like, write 87 songs in a day.
Steve: Zane will.
Brad: I only know that one-  
Steve: I haven't seen him in a couple years.
Brad: Back to Dan
Steve: He's from a long line of crazy backwoods musicians, some of whom are famous among backwoods musician connyseurs.
Steve: That's Zane, I mean.
Steve: Dan's from a long line of survivialists.
Brad: did you like being in dan's band-  
Steve: His mom, Carla Emery, wrote a famous encyclopedia of country living.
Brad: How do you feel about him "retiring," for a little while?
Steve: It became popular again when people thought the world would end in Y2K.
Brad: I knew a guy that bought like a roomful of toilet paper for y2k
Steve: As far as Dan retiring, I feel sad about it.
Brad: he said if the world didn't end he wouldn't have to buy TP fora while
Brad: he had mentioned it to me when I asked him to be on the fansite
Steve: He's so frigging talented, and I'd love to see him supporting himself on his massive creativity.
Steve: BUT....I also support it.  Whatever makes him happy.
Brad: Was it the best band experience you've had-   I hate to make you chosse, but...
Steve: And basically, maybe what's happened is that having a kid has changed his focus....Sorry, I will answer that questions, but I'm still answering this one...
Brad: ok npo worries...
Steve: I just wrote a song called "Kids Ate My Friends"
Steve: So I can understand that.  I think when I have a kid, if I do, I'll probably back off from music for a time, too.
Steve: But maybe not, I dunno!
Steve: I don't know for sure if he's retiring for awhile or giving it up.
Steve: I also feel guilty, because I dropped the ball on being in his band.
Brad: how so
Steve: It's hard to keep your momentum going in a band when members keep coming and going and dying.
Brad: dying... I can see why that would be hard
Steve: I left the band a while back so I could record my album, which I've ended up dragging my feet on.
Brad: Th edemo album?
Steve: Actually, the guy who died had already left his band....
Steve: that was perhaps more of a setback to me, because I was getting ready to record with him.
Steve: The demo CD that I made...that was supposed to be a demo for this guy Andy Morris.
Brad: you are at work now correct?
Steve: A phenomenal drummer.  He was Dan's drummer.  He was Joe Bendik's drummer, the Humans' drummer...a lot of people's drummer.
Steve: yes.  why?
Brad: Just wonderin if you were makin' jpegs of your ass?
Steve: hee hee.  yep.
Brad: cool
Brad: Speakin of drummers I just heard from Anders
Brad: you know him?
Steve: The same week Andy died of a heroin overdose, Dan's bass player's best friend Tom, who was a big fan of ours, also died of a heroin overdose.
Steve: Yes, Anders is a great great drummer.
Steve: Anyway, Dan's bass player fled town, too.
Steve: Heroin sucks.
Steve: I have a grudge against it now.
Brad: shit sounds rough---   Hey I believe
Brad: I am a goody goody
Steve: I still dream about Andy. I did just the other night.
Steve: The thing is, I didn't know his personal life at all.
Steve: But when I played music with him, it was like I'd known him my whole life.
Steve: And I wasn't the only one who had that experience with him.
Steve: Playing music with him made you feel like you were really really good friends with him.  He was such an empathic player.
Steve: It's a huge loss.
Steve: My understanding of it is that drinking was his primary problem, but when he drank...
Steve: he might do any number of impulsive things.
Steve: On this occasion it was heroin, which he hadn't done in awhile.
Steve: So his tolerance was far lower than it had been.
Steve: Plus, given the other guys' death, there must have been particularly lethal heroin around.  ANyway, obviously it's a dangerous thing to mess with.
Steve: And in answer to your earlier question, Dan's band was a great and fun one to play with.
Brad: lets talk about the box set you are workin on.  
Steve: There were several different lineups of the band....
Steve: OK, the box set.
Brad: Why and what is it for
Steve: It's for the fuck of it.
Steve: Dan lent me these 12 cassettes of his rough versions of his songs.
Brad: Everything is on it correct
Brad:  How rough
Brad: ??
Steve: I'd wanted to hear 'em for years, but never got around to it.
Steve: They are boombox recordings.
Brad: ahh
Steve: starting in 1992 and ending in 2000.
Steve: I think there must be 400 songs or performances on the tapes.
Steve: that's a rough guess.
Brad: and they are for the show?
Steve: I wanted to dub them to make a 2-CD retrospective to be sold at the show.
Brad: 2 cd?
Steve: including, also, a bunch of studio outtakes.
Steve: and live performances.
Steve: But when I started dubbing the tapes....
Steve: I realized that there was an organic narrative to the tapes as they were.
Steve: It's a novelization of Dan's life over those years.
Steve: The songs are consistently good to great.
Steve: I mean, some of 'em aren't great....
Brad: He know that you are doin this?
Steve: But even with those ones, it's interesting to see his thought processes evolve.
Steve: I figure people spend several weeks reading a novel, why not spend several weeks listening to an album?
Brad: There are some Cds i have listened to months at a time.... course not once.
Steve: I have no idea if anyone will buy it--it'll be expensive--but I figure some die-hard fan with some money and the collectors' itch might.
Steve: And if no one buys it, it's still been a good project.
Brad: He know about it?
Steve: It's inspiring for me to hear all this stuff.  Yeah, I already told you!
Steve: :-)
Steve: : )
Steve: I wasn't sure if he'd be OK with it, but he is.
Brad: I wish i could be ther
Brad: always a day late....
Steve: I'm talking about a really limited edition thing here, it's not really a proper release.  It's an art object.
Steve: you getting there saturday?
Brad: Nope sunday
Steve: dangit.
Brad: I know ... a day late
Brad: and $120 short
Brad: But we will still meet right?
Steve: In terms of whether it was the best band experience I've had, that's a hard call.  Certainly one of them.
Steve: Yes we will meet!
Brad: Good!
Steve: OK, next question...Anders, by the way, is phenomenal.  There are some other really good drummer on the scene.
Steve: drummers.
Brad: I want to meet alot of people
Steve: but the trick is finding the one where the vibe is right.
Steve: I jammed with Pam from Bionic Finger some months back.  That was great...maybe I'll use a bunch of drummers on the album.
Brad: Yeah we usually just used the guitarists brother
Steve: Different musicians on different cuts.
Brad: You making it an album?
Steve: Very slowly.
Brad: the demos i mean
Steve: I recorded a bit with Spencer Chakedis a couple months ago.
Steve: No, the demos are just a stopgap measure.
Brad: ahh-  new stuff
Steve: I mean, I guess it's sort of an album because I've been selling it.
Steve: no, a lot of the same stuff.  semantics.
Brad: filled out more?
Steve: I'm rerecording those songs and some additional ones.
Steve: yes.  The reason I keep insisting it's not an album is so I give some of those songs the performances they deserve.
Steve: At least a better shot at it.
Steve: That thing was recorded in one day, except for two songs.
Steve: I wasn't going for the best versions, just the most versions.
Steve: Right now I'm backing off a bit and writing string arrangements for some of the songs.
Brad: Composer Espinola
Brad: Not a piano based album?
Steve: I guess.
Steve: Oh yeah, it'll be piano based, I just want to vary the arrangements a bit.
Steve: Maybe I'll toss it all out and go back to the demos.
Brad: what do you get out of recording that you don't get from live performances and visa versa?
Steve: Live performances have this spontaneous thing to them.  You are performing for the moment and only the moment.
Steve: So you can put in all kinds of jokes and gestures that don't bear repeated listening.
Steve: It's easier to take chances live because less is at stake in that temporal zone.
Steve: And there is the danger of revealing too much to people, so there is this thrill that affects the music.
Steve: It's harder to feel that danger, that edge in the studio.
Brad: danger? 
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: I get stage fright live.
Steve: Sometimes it's a realy good stage fright.
Steve: I've seen nights where Dina Dean or Kimya Dawson played, and it seemed like so much was at stake...
Brad: I gotta get in touch with dina
Steve: That it led to amazing performances.  This quivering voice.
Steve: And on my good nights, I get that quivering voice.  and if I try for it it disappears.
Steve: There is none of that on the demo CD.
Brad: Very safe?
Steve: I was scared, but in a different way.
Steve: It made me too careful.
Steve: The best is this sorta trembling before God vibe.
Steve: Like, if you were playing as if your life depended on it.
Steve: I saw Daniel Johnston at CB's Gallery once.
Brad: Have you felt that way before.. that your was in the balance?
Brad: life was in the balance
Steve: It was the show he did at his art show where people stole the xeroxes.  I think it was a misunderstanding.  They tak about it in the book.
Steve: and most of the show he was just nervous about the audience, and uncomfortable.  But at the END...the last song....
Steve: He suddenly sang accapella as if he was sending a message from God, as if he was in the presence of God, and this whole other vibe came out. He was channelling.
Steve: Yeah, I've felt like I was risking a lot, if not my life.
Steve: When I started writing my songs, I felt like I was saying things that were so dangerous, I wouldn't play the recordings to people for months.
Steve: Secrets, you know.
Brad: uh huh
Steve: I listen to them now and many of them just sound funny.  Because what I was afraid of seems, in retrospect, sorta trival.
Steve: People thought I was joking, but often I wasn't.
Brad: you joke a lot>
Brad: in-jokes and all
Steve: I was just scared of stuff that a lot of people had already worked through years before.
Steve: Really?  I feel like I'm being too serious in this interview.
Steve: Yer talking about the "Anti-folk Injolks" article.
Brad: No i am asking if you do joke a lot?
Brad: yes i was referencing that
Steve: I think my sense of humor is tenuous.
Steve: Sometimes I have so little perspective on things being funny, that it becomes funny.
Brad: so you mean, you are so unfunny that it makes people laugh?
Steve: I have a certain number of goofy songs, but on some nights I can't make 'em work.
Steve: Yeah, sometimes I'm so unfunny that I make me laugh.
Brad: You just made me laugh
Steve: I figured out at some point that the best way to write a funny song was to make it as horrible and tragic as possible.  More tragic than sadness can hold.
Steve: Then, if it doesn't work as a funny song, at least it works as a horrifying song.
Steve: : )
Brad: hey- write what you know
Steve: So I play the same material differently depending on what my mood allows me to do.
Brad: I don't know anything -  hence the lyric drive
Brad: ahhh-   
Steve: Oh yeah, I've got to write you a lyric.  Peter Dizozza's is really great.
Steve: It gets harder to find the things I'm afraid to say as I get older.
Steve: Or the things that I'm still afraid to say, I'm REALLY afraid to say.  The stakes get higher.
Steve: I was really panicked at the start of a show recently, and I thought, why am I so scared?  These people are my friends.
Brad: Play to strangers they give honest reactions---
Steve: I realized I wasn't afraid of them, I was afraid of ME.  I was afraid of what might come out of me.  Of what I might learn about myself.
Steve: Sometimes it's easier to play to strangers.
Steve: The Sidewalk Cafe is, in some ways, one of the hardest places to play.
Brad: Have you ever been to a show with like only a couple of people?
Brad: how so
Steve: On a Friday night drunks are just coming off the street.  They aren't there to see you.  They are there to chat loudly with their friends.
Steve: They are competing with the people who are there to see you.
Brad: mummm
Steve: When I've played at bigger venues, the audiences are actually quieter most of the time.
Steve: The C-Note is the really hard one.  I may never play there again.
Brad: why what happened>?
Steve: Just loud and drunk and the people at the back can drown you out.
Steve: But that's not to discredit Sidewalk.  It's just to describe the challenge of it.
Steve: That's been a good place for a lot of people, including me.
Brad: I ate their once
Steve: Their Once?  How was that?  I never had the Once.
Brad: Sandwhich
Steve: A Once Sandwhich.  Cool.
Brad: you know it...   !
Brad: I only do the cool things
Brad: cause I am just that way
Steve: hee hee.
Brad: I was always a cool kid
Steve: Lordy, not me.
Brad:  hung out in Wal-mart parkin' lots
Brad: I am just kidding
Steve: I got beat up by those kids.
Brad: I convined them i was crazy as to not get beat up
Brad: plus I was like the tallest kid in school for a while
Steve: Smart.
Brad: then i quit growing at 12
Steve: I was always the shortest, and then the day I turned 11 I grew 6 inches and got body hair and was taller than everyone for 10 minutes.
Steve: Or like, a year.
Brad: 6th grade 6ft -  to this day still am
Steve: And then, eventually, I got short again, probably because I never ate and never slept.
Steve: Damn you.
Brad: I slept and ate
Brad: You have any questions for me?
Steve: But maybe because of that brief time being tall, I don't feel too self-conscious about not being tall.
Steve: I was just thinking about that.  yeah.  Why are you so into all this New York music?
Steve: What is it you like about this stuff?
Steve: (Do you actually like it?)
Brad: Yes I like it!
Brad: I don't think of it as NY music altough I do like the references
Brad: to me it is all far away
Steve: the top of the interview seems to have disappeared.
Brad: I still have it
Steve: cool.
Steve: learned from your mistakes, or it's still there?
Brad: (i always have copied / paste)  In the same way that say Sting is far away from my wifes life
Steve: Sting...huh?
Brad: I think the Brenda Kahn line "choose your own heros and Rock and Roll stars works for me.
Brad: Yeah she is a fan
Steve: Interview Peter Dizozza.  He'll give you a great interview, I reckon.
Brad: I liked Camper Van Beethoven and Kevn Kinney in High School
Steve: Do you see this as a real genre?
Brad: Yes and no.
Steve: Go on.
Brad: I used to,   but once i started doing this site and even before then I started to have trouble "fitting" things into it.   I think it can become a genre....
Brad: It also depends on how the artists see it
Brad: to me a acene is different than a genre
Brad: scene
Steve: I personally see it as a community of people who seem capable of playing certain kinds of venues.
Steve: There's a practical aspect to it.
Brad: I have included non NYC peopl on the site- iguess who are out of the scene
Steve: In Seattle, where I lived from 1989 to 1993, there was no place for me to play.
Steve: I was wrong to limit it to NYC.
Steve: We have rather strong links to the Philly scene in NYC.
Brad: I love adam brodsky's stuff
Steve: yeah, he's great.  Do you have the cassette?
Steve: There's a cassette, maybe called..."Deeply Screwed?"  I can't remember.
Brad: Think about it "alternative" was a genre, and that was like everything at the time
Brad: Deeply flawed
Steve: yeah!  hee hee!
Brad: I have it
Brad: and teh bonus cd too
Steve: What's that?
Brad: I made a deal with him
Steve: The dork promo or somethin'?
Brad: If you go to so many of his shows he gives you a free bonus cd
Steve: Oh cool.
Brad: nope-  "under the covers"
Steve: "alternative" was a marketing ploy.
Brad: I wrote him and said it was hard for me to get to his shows and we struck a deal
Steve: Then it became people who were imitating a sound.
Brad: I used to think it was british bands like smiths, cure
Steve: It's incredible to me how many bands are making livings imitating Kurt Cobain's voice.
Brad: My friend was eddie vedder for like two years
Brad: while i lived w/ him
Steve: yeah, right!
Steve: there are phases at Sidewalk.
Brad: If you meet him next week, don't tell him I said that
Steve: for a while it will be all eddie vedders,
Steve: and then we'll get a spate of ani difrancos...
Brad: I missed that last post
Steve: On some nights, the Antihoot is the worst thing you have ever been to.
Steve: I said "John Cougar Mellencamp always shows up sooner or later.... "
Steve: And then on other nights I have been astounded at how good the acts are, one after the other.
Brad: I hope not-  when i go-  I would be disappointed
Brad: If it was bad
Steve: One night I actually sobbed because the music was so bad.
Brad: and embarassed cause I'll bring my buddy Madd Patter
Steve: It was during a song where a guy talked about why suicide wasn't such a bad idea.
Brad: I love that song
Brad: jk
Steve: I mean, you could write a good song about that, I suppose, but this wasn't it.
Steve: hee hee!
Steve: the Mash song is about that, I guess.
Brad: Theme song?
Brad: TV theme?   Loudon Wainwright III?
Steve: yeah, in the movie it's called "Suicide is Painless"--It's a really weird song.  I think Robert Altman's son wrote it.
Steve: not LW III.
Brad: oh- 
Steve: but maybe, I dunno!
Brad: he was in mash tough
Steve: really?
Brad: yep like 6-7 shows
Steve: I like his son's music.
Brad: "the singing surgeon"
Brad: Rufus
Brad: adam brodsky is not a fan
Steve: That's one of the commercially successful acts that I actually like right now.  Yeah, Rufus.
Brad: how bout his sister
Steve: But I haven't listened closely.  It's always blaring out of my roommate's room.
Brad: ahhh
Steve: So I haven't heard the lyrics.  But the tunes are glorious on the new record.
Steve: And that counts for a lot with me.
Brad: Have you heard the song rufus is a tit man>
Brad: by his daddy
Steve: Martha--I caught the end of a set and I thought she, too was really  good.  I keep hearing them peripherally.
Steve: I know of it.  Great title.
Brad: I have to go soon, but lets do 5 quick questions ok
Steve: I'm sort of passive about seeking out stuff.  I usually accidently come across it.
Steve: O lordy it's 1 am!
Brad: yep on friday night-  we are geeks
Steve: OK.  Am I asking you or you asking me?
Brad: i ask you
Brad: On a diet-?
Steve: Oh.  I still didn't find out why you're obsessed about this music.
Steve: Is that a question?
Brad: I wouldn't say obsessed
Steve: You are building this big website!!
Brad: I am not losing sleep nor sex over it
Brad: Building it a little at a time
Steve: not necessary for it to be an obsession.  And you are interviewing me on a Friday night at 1:00 am instead of sleeping or shtupping your wife.
Brad: I was driving til 10:30 so she went to a party
Brad: an hour away
Brad: you suggested the time
Steve: Anyway, you're still evading the question.  Why this obscure stuff instead of, I dunno, Eminem?
Brad: I dig him too
Brad: jk
Steve: My sister loves him.
Brad: two words Roger Manning
Steve: She played me some and I thought it was pretty good.
Steve: Yeah, he made a big impression on me, I must say.  I heard him on the radio in Seattle --KCMU-- around 1992; the first song off his first album.  I thought it was great and a little scary. That was the first music I _heard_ referred to as "Antifolk".  My song "Tombstones" off the demo CD was written right afterwards, and it shows.
I was in NYC around 1990 and saw posters advertising the Lach's Antihoot.  From the description, I thought, "This sounds like the stuff I've been doing since, like, 1982".
Brad: Damn prodigy
Steve: But I didn't get to the open mic.  There were a whole bunch of other open mics going on that night in the west village, and I ended up at those.  Village Gate.
Steve: Naw, not me.
Steve: It's been going on for a long long time.
Steve: Listen to country blues from the 20's; it's the same stuff.  Same language.
Brad: What are your fave movies
Steve: I suspect it was going on in Seattle, too.  There was just no one organizing the community.
Steve: If there's one thing that Lach indisputably did, it was to create a place that a bunch of people who were already left out could play.  And that was super important.  I'm not so sure that he created a new style of music.
Brad: Fave movies?
Brad: my wife just got here, sex is on the way for me, we must hurry
Steve: OK.  I love Momento.
Brad: Insomniac?
Steve: That's the best recent one.  Ghost World was good.  Yes, I am.
Steve: I perpetually love Groundhog Day.
Brad: the movie same guy that did momento
Steve: Sorta similar to Momento.
Steve: No, they were diff guys, I think.
Brad: nope same
Steve: Groundhog Day was Harold Ramis.
Brad: Insomia and momento
Brad: new flik
Brad: out last week
Steve: But there's an actor in both Groundhog Day and Momento.  Oh, I am misunderstanding you.
Brad: I wanna believe ya
Steve: I am an insomniac.  I don't know about the movie with that name.
Brad: Fight club
Brad: ?
Steve: I haven't seen all of it.  The second half seemed pretty cool on TV.
Brad: Will you be at the antihoot that I will be at
Steve: I love a Greek film called "Landscapes in the Mist"....My answers are the same year after year.
Brad: me- NOT PLAYING
Steve: ?
Brad: \at the hoot
Steve: oh!
Brad: \will you be there
Brad: 10th
Steve: I'm not sure...
Steve: Oh.  Shit.  Maybe not.
Brad: but we will still met
Brad: meet
Steve: I have a date with my girlfriend.
Brad: get em
Brad: sex is on the way for you?
Steve: at least on June 10th.
Steve: : )
Brad: back to the opposite sex thing
Brad: too
Steve: She has a 6 year old daughter.  We have to plan our dates way in advance.
Steve: babysitters, ya know.  So June 10th is a date with her.
Brad: i see
Steve: Yeah, now I wanna know why MMM was asking that question.
Brad: Lat Question:----
Brad: last
Steve: I wonder if it had anything to do with our personal history, or if it was something else....
Brad: What is the best place to eat in NYC-  
Steve: because I actually evade that question.  sorry, I know you're on the run.
Steve: hmmm....
Steve: The best place is a sushi place in Hoboken.
Brad: we will talk and interview again I am sur , if the site stays up
Brad: no fish what else>
Steve: But I forget the name.
Steve: I love this outdoor place called Acquario.
Steve: It's on Bleeker, spitting distance from CB's Gallery.
Brad: Thanks-  
Steve: Oh, shit, that's mostly seafood too.
Brad: Thanks for taking the time out and givin me fishy advice
Steve: What kind of food do you like?
Brad: My wife can't eat fish
Brad: I like it
Brad: I hope you had fun and got a lot done w/ the box set
Steve: oh, here's a good place:  Mr. Tony's SOul Kitchen.  East Village.
Brad: Hope that show goes great!!!
Steve: romantic.
Brad: ahhh
Steve: thanks, man.  good talking with you.
Brad: thanks  I'll be in touch
Steve: bye-ah...happy sex.